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Dave Winfield

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Centurion Tank
« on: January 26, 2013, 09:18:44 AM »
Well, I have finally started work on my nex "big" project...
the Centurion Tank*.
[*a Mk.5 Centurion, mid 1960s, Nationality to be determined]



Very very early stages at the moment.
Still trying to work out my build method...planning the central Hull...
deciding how much Interior I want to install...will the Tracks be
fully articulated...and exactly what Scale will I work in?

At the moment I am seriously considering 1/16 scale.
This would make the Tank (not including the Gun Barrel) about 18" (450mm) long.

Thats a big model, but not unreasonable.
GPM already produces some 1/16 Armour in Paper.

I had originally planned on 1/18 to keep it in scale with my 1/18 Autocar Armored Car model.
(The Armored Car ended up at 1/18 scale so that main parts would fit onto Letter size
pages without the need of breraking them into multiple pieces.)


I have since been convinced that 1/16 and 1/25 are the more common and preferred scales for Armour kits
and the page fit issue at either 1/18 or 1/16 is not a factor.
(1/25 is too small for what I want to produce...my goal was another "big" scale kit)


First plan is a Canadian marked version...standard British Army Bronze Green finish.
I have a markings scheme for an 8th Can. Hussars Tank serving in Germany around 1960.

Then I will look at some alternates, if there is enough interest.
British? American, Israeli?  I'm not sure yet.
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Re: Centurion Tank
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2013, 10:06:46 AM »
Okay...issues already...and I haven't even started! lol

I really wanted to design and build a BIG model.
1/18 was the original choice, same as my Autocar models (the Armored Car and Army Lorry)
but unlike those somewhat unique models, it might not be as well accepted.

So the standard 1/16 seemed like the only option...except I am running into a number of issues.
First is the part size and the fact that NOTHING of the central Hull (inner structure and outer 'skins")
fits on a standard page without splitting into multiple parts.
There will obviously be other parts that may have this same issue.

Then theres the thickness of panels and parts. Not everything can be proper scale thickness and doesn't
need to be. But somethings have to be scaled up in thickness for strength and rigidity and some parts
need the illusion of scale thickness and require layers or internal structure. Cutting card and laminating to
2-3-4mm thickness can be a real pain!

And then theres the overall size.
I wanted BIG, but this model will be 2 foot long with Gun barrel!...maybe more?
That might really limit sales of the kit to a select few large scale builders.

Anyway...sorry to be so long winded about this...I have done a complete turnaround and downscaled my
design to 1/25 scale. And I think thats where it should stay (lol)

At 1/25 scale, the Centurion will be about 12" long...add another 4" for barrel?
But most importantly, Hull sides and other large parts fit completely on one standard sheet (Letter or A4)
and that makes a big difference.

1/25 is it then!
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Re: Centurion Tank
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2013, 09:50:43 AM »
Okay, I'm back-peddling again!

I did a beta build of the Main Hull substructure last night.
A nice strong structure, I'm happy with that.
Got a few changes that I need to make, but its a start.



Problem is...its too small!
1/25 scale....the overall length of the Hull is just over 11"
With the fenders, skirts, etc all in place the Tank will be about 12" long.

Its too small.
I wanted a big scale model and this is not getting me excited.

As it stands, the longest model pieces will fit (diagonally) on one page of paper/cardstock.
Thats a good thing.
Its possible to bump it up to 1/24 scale and still get the parts on to the page.
But thats it.

So, anything bigger than that will create the need to cut some of the large parts and panels
into multiple pieces that need to be reassembled.
This isn't a big issue with internal parts...but for outer panels, it means adding seams and joins.

However, on the tank, I think its possible to mask and hide all these joints.
The Hull sides for example are hidden behind the Tracks and Drive Wheels and then Side Skirts.
The Side Skirts are built from separate Metal panels, so joints could be hidden within those.

The question is "what scale would an interested customer want?"
Is it important to stick to standard scales like 1/16 and 1/25 (the common Armour Model scales).
Is 1/18 an acceptable alternative (as I designed my Autocar Armored Car)?
What about 1/20, 1/21 or 1/22 scales?

I'd love to hear from anyone on this...especially those interested in Armour kits and those that
might actually consider buying this model.



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Re: Centurion Tank
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2013, 04:44:06 PM »
Speaking for myself, I'm totally fine with 1/25. I like to stick to one scale, even if only for being able to compare different models and visualize the size of objects they represent
My brother's Tiger or Panther looks quite impressive even in 1/25. Believe me.

If you really want a tank in larger scale, that's fine also, but splitting parts only because of paper size restrictions (when there is no corresponding panel seams) seems to me the wrong direction. Why would you lower the realism of your model? Too big will appeal only to a small group of modelers. Who has space to store 2 feet tank?
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Tomek

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Re: Centurion Tank
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2013, 05:15:01 PM »
Who has space to store 2 feet tank?
 

apparently everyone at papermodelers.com!  LOL



thanks for your views Tomek, I agree with all you said.
However I posted this same question at PM and the response has been a resounding "BIG scale please"!
So, it looks like I am switching back to 1/16 scale.
haha
I suggested the very same thing, where to display it?
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Re: Centurion Tank
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2013, 10:24:05 PM »
I haven't built anything that I haven't reduced  since well before Christmas.  I don't see how people have room for gigantic models like that
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Re: Centurion Tank
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2013, 11:50:47 AM »
Who has space to store 2 feet tank?
 
apparently everyone at papermodelers.com!  LOL

I that makes me weird and poor, I guess  ;)

OK then, lets see this Behemoth come together!
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Tomek

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Re: Centurion Tank
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2013, 10:34:13 AM »
I know!

In a museum!

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Re: Centurion Tank
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2013, 12:19:49 AM »
Still struggling to find time to work on this
and struggling a little bit with the basic design.

Its all about getting a substantial inner supporting structure
in as few parts as possible, that goes together without confusion
and properly fits the outer skins.

This is the latest incarnation...and it looks promising.

For one thing...I am liking the scale!
Keep in mind this is just the central Main Hull.


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Re: Centurion Tank
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2013, 12:40:38 PM »
haha I love the comparison between 1/25 scale and 1/16!!!!

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Re: Centurion Tank
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2013, 01:38:02 PM »
It would be nice to have a model of this size, but who has room for it?
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