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Dave Winfield

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Backing up your digital model files...file storage options.
« on: October 19, 2014, 06:49:14 PM »

Recently got a private question from someone about saving my models to a disc for safety (backup).
I answered the immediate question and gave some personal advice on backup solutions.

That discussion was a private one, so I won't reveal much
but the main concern was whether I had a problem with my files being duplicated.
Once you buy a model from me...you own it and can duplicate it for your own use.
You can save backup copies, print as many files as you like, etc.
Those are your rights.

I acknowledged that Discs are a good backup solution (CDs and DVDs).
DVDs being the best option since they hold the most.
About 4.5gb versus about 700mb (.7gb) on a CD.
Rewritable Discs allow to you add files...about four times I think, if you don't finalize the disc.
But I have heard they are prone to corruption

But discs can be damaged and they do naturally corrupt over time.
I think there are ideal methods of storage to make them last longer?

I suggested that "Flash Drives" sometimes known as "Thumb Sticks" might be a better option.
Considered a safer long term solution, they are now more economical and cost effective.
Smaller capacity Drives are much cheaper nowadays, and you can buy them in bulk.
The can be used countless times...rewritten over and over again.

I don't know how well larger capacity drives are working...I have a 120gb Flash drive
that I purchased recently, for about $20.
It works, but I have experienced some file corruptions.
I think it is because it is a cheaply made drive...I bought it because it looks like Ironman!
I think you get what you pay for...spend more, get a better product.

Another option is a USB Hard Drive.
I have a 500gb Passport by Western Digital.
They are small (fit in your shirt pocket!), cheap...mine cost $47 at Walmart.
They are fast....or fast enough for most applications so far...
and have an easy to use USB cable for quick connect and disconnect.

They do not have an internal power...so they do not plug into a power outlet, like other external Harddrives.
Instead, they get their power from the computer, via the USB cable.

This is very handy.
But it is also the source of a widespread problem with these Hardrives.
In attempting to repair a problem with a friend's WD Passport Drive, I learned a few important things.

My advice:
when you purchase one of the Drives...do not install the WD disc or software that comes with it.
Let your PC install the drive once it plugs in.
Check the contents of the drive (new or used)....look for the "Smartware" program files and delete them, uninstall, remove them from the drive.

Seems these hardrives require a very small amount of power (via the USB connection) to operate
but its a very precise amount of power to work properly.
Some older PCs and laptops can deliver fluctuating or low power levels through the USB connection.
If this happens, there is an inherent glitch in the Smartware files that cause the security (password) lock to be initialized.
The Drives become locked...password protected...an unknown password in most cases.
This effectively turns the drive into a paperweight.

Unless you can discover the password, you can never get into the drive.
Apparently no password unlocker can get in, because the Smartware system uses a "5 tries- auto lockdown" procedure.
You have to disconnect the drive from a power source and reconnect to start all over.

Western Digital cannot and will not break into the drives.
Probably because they can't, but I would assume they also will not admit the fault.

This problem has been discussed to death on many tech forums.
The fault is known to be in the Smartware program.

My Passport never had the Smartware files installed...so I got lucky.
Probably because I don't use any external programs unless I am forced to.
I plug devices in and let Windows install the drivers. I never put in driver discs or hardware related software.
So, my Passport has "never locked up".
And I love it. Handiest thing I own.
So, I recommend them...just don't use the Smartware software.

And for a handy backup system, try portable FlashDrives.

Only thing better would be Solid State Harddrives (I think).
But they are still a little costly.
However I will be installing one of those soon, as my main operating system drive.
The speeds are incredible!
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Re: Backing up your digital model files...file storage options.
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2015, 04:29:08 PM »
Dave, I agree with your comment regarding the hardrive software and NOT installing it!

I back up my photos and paper models onto a hard drive.

I have three (Western Digital). All three are basically the same, except number one is my working drive. On this drive I as new files, replace updated files and so forth.

I then use Windows Synctoy  every couple of weeks to copy to drives two and three.

If you have not used Synctoy, it's free and pretty brilliant for basic replication. Try it - it is straight forward. Just make sure you are 100% clear on what each of the different options do.

If you are uncertain post here and I will be happy to help!

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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2015, 05:05:55 PM »
I'm off to get the program now!

I'll be back.
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2015, 05:11:13 PM »
You won't regret it.

Tried all sorts of backup programme's before I stumbled on this and suddenly understood just what a good job it did!

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Re: Backing up your digital model files...file storage options.
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2015, 05:50:49 PM »
I use also a Toshiba external HD.

But I don't use any backup SW, only good old copy-paste.

Then I went to the Cloud. I tried several options, until I stumble on Pogoplug online. Pogo plug has no space limit for your backup... no lousy 15 GB of back up space... and it has a downloadable SW that your PC, Mac, table or phone can run in the background to backup all you want.

It is not pricy at all: 6 months of unlimited space for backup for US$14.99 + tax in a Pogoplug prepaid card from BestBuy:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/pogoplug-6-month-unlimited-cloud-storage-service-activation-card-multicolor/1696087.p?id=1219066776122&skuId=1696087

With the card, you have a discounted price, because it cost normally US$4.95+tax per month if you want to do it directly.

At the end of 6 months, you just go and buy another of these little cards, and have another 6 months for 15 bucks.

I've tested several times, and it works just great. You can test it with 5 GB of free space to have an idea. But I have all my family photo collection, and my Dave's creation models there, and no issues at all. You can even have your music backed-up and listen to it on the same Pogoplug web site with its built-in player, and same thing with videos.
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Re: Backing up your digital model files...file storage options.
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2015, 01:33:50 AM »
Thanks Geraldo.

And Dave, that reminds me. Did you try synctoy?

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2015, 08:50:57 AM »
yes, but I can't get the automatic backup to work.
I have to manually run the program and then run the backup,
even though it asked me to set a time/date for auto syncs.
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2015, 11:45:23 AM »
Never tried the auto.

I just run it manually - after you have done it a few times you soon get into the swing of it!