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Dave Winfield

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P-47 Thunderbolts
« on: February 02, 2015, 02:03:45 PM »
I have been saying for a very long time, that I need to overhaul and update my P47 template.
And I have finally caught up on enough projects to do that!

The goal is to do a full vector redraw of the P47 template...
and add a few needed items ...like a Cockpit and recessed Landing Gear wells.
This also means creating new Landing Gear, new Tail Gear and Tail Gear bay.

I also want to tweak a few seams and panel lines.
And add a lot of new details.

My second trip to the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum left me with a bunch more closeup reference photos
of the P47 on display there...so I have plenty to improve on rivet and panel details, as well as closeups of many other areas.
[My P47 Flikr album: https://www.flickr.com/photos/65936213@N08/sets/72157650603690231/]

Over the past year, I have sorted out the basics of the Wheel Well parts...
and that also means a redesigned internal structure to accomodate the wheel boxes.

I've reached a point where I am actually creating parts and test building to see if things are going to go together.
You will notice the new wing spar arrangement calls for two fuselage holes instead of one.



As I said, I am tweaking seams and connections, along with panel details and adding rivet textures.
So far, things are going together quite well.
One area that needed a little bit of clean up, is that lower cut in the center fuselage section, that creates the curve under the cockpit.
The two sides never matched very well. You could fix it with cutting, but I thought it was time to make it better. 
Once I change the colours, the seam should be a lot less noticeable.





I won't get too carried away with the construction of this "white" test,
but I am connecting the main fuselage elements to check fit and finish
...and I also need something to fit the new Cockpit into!
You can see I have created the cowling over the Instrument panel, and the rear armour deck
...I'll probably add some 3D parts that you can add on top (if you want).




The cockpit "tub" took three builds to get it right, and to figure out an assembly method.
Its easy to design a box that glues inside the fuselage, but you also need to consider "how to get it in there!".
And how to properly support it, and not interfere with the rest of the fuselage assembly.

I think I have it sorted, using a spaced double former near the center of the fuselage.
You can see the additional former in this pic, with its supporting shelf for the cockpit tub.

The Instrument panel is three layers...a supporting layer and the panel itself.
I'll also include a optional top layer, if you want to cut out all the instrument holes (like I did).
In front of the panel, you can see the gun sight which will mount on top after the cockpit tub
and instrument panel have been installed in the fuselage.

I've also started to assemble one of the Main Gear boxes...
and you can see the new tail Wheel box and Gear.






Stay tuned!


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Re: P-47 Thunderbolts
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2015, 02:26:08 PM »
This took some patience, but I think its worth the effort
and it turned out quite well.

Unfortunately, I do not own any hole punches!

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Re: P-47 Thunderbolts
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2015, 03:32:53 PM »
Are you going to do the Razorbacks also?

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Re: P-47 Thunderbolts
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2015, 05:17:09 PM »
Yes, I already have a couple of C and D models in razorback.
So, the canopy and spine parts will transfer over to this updated version.

The new cockpit works fine with all models too.
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Re: P-47 Thunderbolts
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2015, 03:56:04 PM »
update...putting the pieces of the fuselage together.

tweak here...tweak there...everything getting sorted out nicely.
I got a little rushed and didn't do a great job of attaching the mid-fuselage sections.
I was focuing more on making sure things lined up and taking measurements here and there
and I ended up wrinkling a few spots...so I had a bit of a fight when gluing it all together.

new Tail Wheel box seems to fit, as does the gear itself.
so, I'm happy with that.



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Cockpit fits too...its a little fiddly getting it into place, but it works.
Had to resize the additional former that supports the cockpit tub, but wasn't a problem.




Once the cockpit is secure, you can feed in any remaining cockpit components.
In my case, I had already installed the seat and joystick,
so I just needed to fit the instrument panel.
I think it needs to be left until last, because you want the least possible in your way
when fitting the tub, and the instrument panel needs to fit up close to the cowl.
Its easier to place it at the end and get a good fit.

You also have to fit the gun sight, but I think that can be installed at any time from this point.




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Re: P-47 Thunderbolts
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2015, 04:42:34 PM »
Wow, your rushed wrinkly builds still look great
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Re: P-47 Thunderbolts
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 04:21:02 PM »
I started fitting together the wing internals today.

Everything looks okay so far.
It seems to be what I had planned.
So, I am moving forward.

The old P47 kit required you to assemble the wing internals on the fuselage.
My new wing internals aren't any different...just more parts to put together.

You have to install the main spars through the fuselage, and then fit the
ribs and braces and wheel wells.
And once its all glued together, the parts are locked into the fuselage.

I don't see this as a problem?
As long as your fuselage is completed to the required stage.
Only thing I don't like is you have to handle everything during assembly.
It gets a bit tricky...like you need four hands!




I glued up one side...and then I got to thinking,
if this is all okay, why waste the formers, and wheel wells (and cockpit)
on the white build?

I am ready to do up some coloured skins (because the fuselage is sorted),
so maybe I will pull out the wings, before I lock up the opposite side
and put all these parts into a colour build.

I can pull out the cockpit and Tail Wheel box too.

Anyway, this is the glued up side of the wings, with the new wheel well in place
along with a whole set of braces.

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Re: P-47 Thunderbolts
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2015, 02:55:15 PM »
So...I have dismantled the test build...saved the cockpit tub and the Tail gear and Box.
Also saved the partially constructed Wing internals and Gear boxes.

Was also able to remove all the formers from the fuselage, so I don't have to reprint
and recut those. yay!

And now I am attempting a full build in full colour.
I will also photograph the entire build to create another Build Photoset.
I'll post that a little later on.

This "test build" and the first release of the new P47s, will be aircraft #44-32691.
This is the Jug that is on display at the Udvar-Hazy (Smithsonian) Center which I got a very close look at.

Its a mostly bare metal aircraft, so I got to experiment with some new metal colouring.
I found the first printing to be a little washed out. (see the first pic below)
I have since darkened up the colouring. (re: the second pic)
Not sure why I continued the build with the first print, but I did...so I ain't stopping now.



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Re: P-47 Thunderbolts
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2015, 10:50:40 AM »
Work continues on more "new" P47 models.

With the Razorback D model sorted out, I can go ahead and offer up two versions
of the 332nd FG Thunderbolt.
332nd is of course part of what will later be known as The Tuskegee Airmen.

Based on the original Jugs, received from the 325th as hand-me-downs, I've created two
versions of the D model...one in the Olive Drab and Gary paint scheme, and the other in
a bare metal finish.  These are both accurate versions known to have been flown in the 332nd.
Since aircraft information is vague and scarce, its difficult to represent specific planes, so
I will just represent and honour the Tuskegee Airmen 332nd with two generic models.

Just getting the final touches done and will release these kits soon.





...
For these two planes, I added wing pylons...to receive either Bombs or Long range Fuel Tanks.

I think I will continue to include the [optional] wing pylons in all kits from now on*.
*as long as the room isn't needed for other parts.

But I will not include Bombs or Fuel Tanks in the kits.
Instead, I have created an accessory page which is a free download at www.papermodelshop.com
(in the Extras section)

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Re: P-47 Thunderbolts
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2015, 04:54:43 PM »
I almost missed this updates for the Jug!!

It looks clean, clear, most professional, and of course, my fingers started to move like crazy!

Looking forward for more...
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Re: P-47 Thunderbolts
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2015, 11:12:44 AM »
Finally got around to finishing this RAF Jug!
An old request...
hopefully still of interest to someone? lol

All P47s went to Burma for the RAF, except for two aircraft retained in the UK for testing purposes.
I respect the need for low visibility markings in the war zone, but I like the big bright standard markings
on the two Jugs that stayed in England.
The Camo is standard European scheme.

I finished up a test build of the model yesterday (mainly just to check camouflage colour and alignment)
and so I am finishing up the kit and preparing to publish later today.

As you can see, I didn't bother with Props, Wheels, Cockpit, etc
Just the basics of the aircraft.


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