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Re: 1/16 British Saladin Armoured Car project
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2016, 06:20:33 PM »
I've made a few more tweaks to the Cockpit, as per found photos.

Tappi...not sure what you are directing me to do.
Right and left sides are not the same.
Different objects, boxes, etc.

I did need to move the large hydraulic object, on the lefthand side, into a new position (based on photos again).
I did not include that "gear shifter"? "joy stick" that you see in earlier build up.
It was something that appeared in the plastic model, but doesn't seem to be there in the real photos.

Anyway...lots of room for the builder to add things or modify things.

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With the latest Chassis Former buildup, I needed to print a newly modified set of Interior panels and test their fit.
I also printed up a new set of outer panels
As I was starting to design some of the Interior parts (for the under-Turret area) I realized that there wasn't enough space.
The under-Turret area was too small...and the Engine bay area was too large.

A slight miscalculation on the position of the central Bulkhead.
So, I moved its position and modified a couple of parts.



For this test build, I cut out and moved the central Bulkhead...and added a piece to the bulkhead spacer.
(You can see it in the photo above)
In the actual kit, the spacer is lengthened, and all related parts are modified to suit the new position of the Bulkhead.

I cut a new set of adjusted Interior panels and tested their fit.



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With everything looking good, I went back to adding surface details to the interior panels
and designing the parts for the Interior.

Parts include some boxes, bins and containers...some few hydraulic and electrical components...
and racks for ammo.

I tried to keep things simple...since much of this is hard to see, or completely hidden once the vehicle is completely assembled.
I focused on the largest, main objects and applied a simplified visual and assembly approach to those objects.





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Biggest concern is making sure nothing interferes with the Turret cage that hangs down into this area.
Its a very tight fit in the real Car, but the Turret cage must fit and turn without hitting anything.
Everything looks good so far.



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Re: 1/16 British Saladin Armoured Car project
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2016, 06:31:33 AM »
I just meant that on the left side wall panels are boxes (3D) and on the right hand wall Boxes are represented by 2D panels.  ;-) I think there is some kind joystick for the pre-select automatic transmission (Alvis Salarin FV-601 Mk.2). But you're right, every builder can make his own decision what to add and so on. Looking forward the updates on this design.

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Re: 1/16 British Saladin Armoured Car project
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2016, 07:51:35 PM »
Work continues...a little slower, but it continues.
Not much building on the model for a few days.
I am wrapping up some home renovations and I have been tinkering with the model design.

Last night I tried to test fit some parts for the Engine Bay.
Realized I wasn't completely happy with the engine bay opening).
Felt like I needed to redesign it a little bit.
That led to changing the size of the engine bay opening, which led to modifying the deck plate,
which led to altering the middle Bulkhead, which led to moving two bulkheads, which led to
modifying the long internal formers, which led to...
well, you get the point.

Any one wanna buy a slightly used Saladin?



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Don't panic mechanic.
This is me tearing apart the last build to try to save as many bits as possible.
Like the cockpit tub, and those bits in the middle section.

I don't mind building another "test"...but I'd like not to be slowed down by rebuilding all those details parts.
The rest can go into the "scrap pile".
LOL Seems like I am collecting quite a collection of used bits!

The bin contains three complete Hulls, at least six sets of interior panels, four Cockpit Tubs,
and enough cardstock to build a Centurion model!



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Anyway, a new set of Formers and Hull parts is already printed.
And the Formers are already laminated to 1mm.
Whats this?...Hull number four? five?...I've lost count at this point.

I'm getting good at this.
This shouldn't take too long.
Time me.
Photo below taken at 4pm (May 5)

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Re: 1/16 British Saladin Armoured Car project
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2016, 08:49:48 AM »
For those of you who like to follow things on facebook,
I have a fb group page for Dave's Card Creations.
I'm going to start posting updates (about the Saladin model) there.

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I never did much with the fb page until now...but I tried posting updates on Twitter
and its getting a bit confusing for me with three facebook pages, two forums and twitter!

Also, there are only seven twitter followers!

So, myabe I will drop the twitter reports and focus on my facebook pages?!

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Re: 1/16 British Saladin Armoured Car project
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2016, 09:37:37 AM »
okay...so...I have been fiddling with the skin some more, and the upper deck plate
and thinking about how I will proceed with the upper Hull structure...

and I finally decided to continue with my original design and see how it comes together.
It all appears to be working so far.

But I had to adjust the shape and fit of the printed upper deck plate before I could continue.
It didn't fit correctly against the deck plate former.

So...glue the deck plate former into place.
It locates with tabs and against the mid bulkhead.



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Then fold down (and glue) the three front tabs, and four rear tabs.
The rear extensions tend to bend and move around.
It is necessary to pay attention and get them positioned correctly under the tabs.



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Then the printed top deck plate goes on.

One of the major changes i made, is to split the plate into front and rear halves.
The seam is hidden inside the upper Hull extension and it makes it a lot easier to get it positioned correctly.

I noticed after building many sets of Hull skins, that they vary a little bit in width.
I guess with all the seams and angles, its easy for it to fluctuate a bit.
Being able to shift that top deck plate and get it lined up, is a help.



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It appears to be fairly easy to fit all the interior components (under the Turret area).
Theres plenty of access before the upper Hull goes on.

I am assuming that fitting the Engine bay components will be just as easy.

If not, then I will have to suggest leaving the upper deck plates (former and printed) until a later time.
Hopefully I have not jumped the gun by gluing them in place now!

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Re: 1/16 British Saladin Armoured Car project
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2016, 01:57:56 AM »
Nice Dave! I'm currently slowly building a Panhard AML (Auto-Mitraileuse Legere) so I'm in the hood of armored vehicles too.

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Re: 1/16 British Saladin Armoured Car project
« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2016, 12:23:27 AM »
Holiday weekend here this weekend...Victoria Day
Nascar All Star race on Saturday night had me in front of the TV.
And a bunch of stuff on TV today (Sunday).
So, lots of time to get back to some test fitting of parts (on the Saladin).

This has been a lot of trial and error (the last few days).
Since this is all new to me, I am designing parts that don't fit the first time and require mods.
Then I find the parts don't fit into stuff thats already been designed...so there has to be redesign.
And then I find that fitted parts have to be removed to allow for new items
...since I don't have a precise assembly order.

Oh well, I'm winging it!

I'll run you through the basics of the latest...

I originally planned the rear bulkhead with pass through openings for the engine cooling fans.
This is still in place, but now new Bulkhead skins have to be installed with the proper interior finish
and some visual details.
In this case, you are looking through the fan openings to see the backside of the fan assemblies
and the radiator (mounted in the rear Hull space).



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Opposite of the rear bulkhead has a full liner now...this wasn't originally planned since visibility is almost non existant...
You can see the radiator, which is just flat 2D artwork.
Not much point in installing a built up radiator, since this area is almost completely blocked in from view
(once the rest of the body is installed).



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Back to the engine bay side, I have installed the Fuel tank
with its cutout and heat shield for the engine exhaust.

I have not got any plans for the exhaust yet.
I need to find some good reference of the what the exhaust actually looks like
and how it passes through the Hull.

Might be something left up to the builder, not sure yet.



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Same shot, but here I have fitted the shroud for the Cooling Fans.
Twin fans driven by belts, off the front of the engine.



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And here, I am test fitting the completed fans.
Took a few tries to get the look I liked, and to get the blades sized properly.
With the radius and angled fit, I kept measuring wrong!
They need to fill the openings but be a little smaller to allow for an easier fit.



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I have redesigned the straight 8 cylinder a couple of times.
Trying to get the best fit and position.
Its notched to fit over, and hide, the dowel axles.
It also has to clear the shroud and fans, but there are still other parts to go on, around and behind.

I've also added more parts to help simulate some of the drive train.

This will all probably go through more redesigns.



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Just adding more parts to test positions and clearances.
Battery boxes? I'm not really sure.

And then theres the upper frame/crossmember to support the closed hatches
and the Oil Cooler..



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Re: 1/16 British Saladin Armoured Car project
« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2016, 04:31:17 AM »
Looking good Dave. I like the fans and the subtle weathering of the engine bay. Keep it simple but convincing just like you do. Just my two cents while building the Panhard. So many details cramped in small space (scale is 1/24!).

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Re: 1/16 British Saladin Armoured Car project
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2016, 09:13:50 AM »
Another Update...

still working at adding objects to the Engine Bay.
Just like the Centurion, I'm trying to add just the larger, more obvious shapes to the area.
I'm not worrying too much about technical accuracy...but I am working off actual photos of the real thing.
I don't want to put something totally in the wrong place!

The overhead "Cooler" is proving to be a bit of a pain.
An awkward position to attach the finished part (under the side deck)
but it also has to align with the center Brace cutout and clear the Engine Covers.

I think its an Oil Cooler? This Engine doesn't have a Turbo...that I can see.



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The Cooler also has to lift...well it doesn't "have to", I just wanted to make it moveable.
So that factored into the mounting bracketry and a simple hinge design.

I've still got some objects to add closer to the Fans.
I believe there are a couple of Canisters or Filler Tubes in the empty area behind the Cooler.

Note the Exhaust...
I resized the pipes...resized the flange plate...finally found the right angle and length to clear the Fuel tank.



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On the topic of Exhaust, I had no idea how the Exhaust went under the Fuel Tank or exited the vehicle.
I held off positioning the Exhaust Pipes until I understood.
Could not find a photo of that side of the Hull...until now.

Looks like the twin exhaust pipes are connected...probably a Y-pipe...
and then a single exhaust tube exits the Hull through a welded opening in the side.
Because the pipes are hidden under the Fuel Tank, I didn't bother with the Y-pipe.

The outside opening is hidden under the Side Fenders and Skirts and behind a sealed Muffler unit,
so I didn't need to get too complicated here.
But, for now I have added a small tube which is the exit point for the Exhaust tube.
On the final print model, I'm adding more 3D graphic detail.



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I also added more (unseen) Cockpit details...two little Gauge Panels on either side of the Steering Unit.
Once the upper Hull parts are in place, I'm sure none of this will be visible (lol) but what the heck.




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Re: 1/16 British Saladin Armoured Car project
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2016, 01:38:07 PM »
Those extra little details you add are joy and fun for the builder I assure you. And if they bear resemblance to the real thing even better. Functionalities are possible with this big scale and add surely a temptation to get them in the model  and build them too. I think designers one task should be all the time moderately challenge builders to improve their skills. And design by design you do just that - when you develop your excellence we all get a bit better too.

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Re: 1/16 British Saladin Armoured Car project
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2016, 10:32:39 AM »
Thanks Tappi!

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I've added a few more little details.

The Oil Filter Canister (below the Oil Cooler).
Another Canister or Fill Neck Tube (beside the Oil Filter).

Some outlets on the Radiator (above the colling fans).
And the Radiator Fill Tube on the opposite side of the Radiator Fans.

I think thats enough "stuff" in the Engine hole...enough to satisfy visually?
Still some room to modify.
Not technically perfect, but most of the obvious components are in their general locations.

Time to start working on the upper Body/Hull.




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